Thanks for the fix, Dekoshu, wasn't aware I'd messed that up. Now what is it about the infobox that you wanted me to look at? Lord Grammaticus 23:46, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
Capcom vs. SNK 2 Kanji[]
In the introduction paragraph I deleted any references to 'beyond human' and 'person becoming beyond human'. Kami very specifically means God, and superimposing it over Hito clearly means he has become a demi-god. There is no ambiguity about this. His usual Ten Kanji can be interpreted as beyond human without any particular measure of exactly how beyond. The Kami kanji is a definite step above Ten. Devang.home47 06:45, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
Cyber Akuma's Kanji[]
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Mystery kanji
oes anyone know what this kanji mean? Wikipedia says his name is spelt (Mech Gouki) メカ豪鬼 . Now I can place some of those characters in that kanji, or maybe I am seeing things. Devang.home47 13:37, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
How did I miss this? It is the Kanji for Destruction (Metsu) (滅)
God Akuma's kanji[]
Images, Oni and Cosmic Akuma[]
First off, what's up with the Super Street Fighter II Turbo image of Akuma as the Shin Akuma Portrait? He was technically in the game but that image doesn't show any difference.
Also, Oni isn't the same as Shin Akuma and he even has his own page so there shouldn't be images of him here.
Lastly, where did "Cosmic Akuma" come from? Yes, I own MvC3 and UMvC3 but that color scheme is just a recoloring and shouldn't even be considered a different form as there are zero gameplay changes.
Ok, did you change the main image? The SSF2T image is the only good image I could find of Shin Akuma. That image that you pasted is of GOD Akuma, ok he is called Shin Akuma, but that is Divine Akuma not True Akuma. I hope you are aware SF2 CPU Akuma is the first appearance of True Akuma?
It is hoped that all articles can be divided into their own separate pages someday. Even Cyber Akuma isn't Shin Akuma. Till then this page is to catalogue all appearances of Akuma in an enhanced state, gameplay or storyline wise and that includes, God, Cyber, Oni and Cosmic. Devang.home47 15:05, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
I am very well aware the his first appearance is in SSFII Turbo. The reason I changed the image is because of the fact that I can't tell if it's Shin Akuma or regular Akuma. So, I feel the page should have an image that people can tell the difference between the two and the image that's up there now is for the here comes a new challenger fight and you can't even tell who it is.
As for the differences between Shin and "God" Akuma and the rest, I am also well aware of the face the kanji is different. But even so their names are pronounced the same. Also, there are very few differences between those two since they both throw double Zankuus, have a faster Shungokusatsu, and both of them have a purple gi. They're basically identical minus kanji on their backs, the white hair, the Misog(which Akuma now has), and the high and low counter for Capcom Vs Snk and Capcom Fighting Evolution. Too be honest I can spot just about as many differences between the different versions of Evil Ryu.
Now, for the other ones, I agree that Oni and Cyber Akuma should get a page but Cosmic Akuma really doesn't need one. In fact if he needs to go somewhere its on the normal Akuma page because there is absolutely no difference between them. It's just a pallette swap just like Wesker, Doom, and Dormammu.
To make a long story short, I don't see the need to make whole pages for variations of the same character. I'm aware there are differences between the True and God but they're not major in my opinion. Oni is a whole new creation and should be treated as an altogether different form, same with Cyber. But, Cosmic doesn't ever show any difference for the in game Akuma so he needs to be left out. I'm not going to get into an editing war over this but I still think that there should be a different image than the one posted now of at least Akuma wearing a purple gi. And besides wasn't there already a Capcom vs Snk 2 image of him up in the first place? And now that I think of it, that version is the only one that has offical game art drawn of him.
I'm gonna put the SVC Chaos pic up because it's actually looks different from Akuma and its a True Akuma picture instead of God. The spelling on this photo is of course the True Demon so I trust you won't have any complaints.
How are the differences between True Akuma and Divine Akuma not major? Divine moves much much faster, has the misogi, different raging demon, tenma shuretto, white hair and eyes, dark purple gi instead of the usual violet(ish) one and different kanji, I'd say that those are some major differences. I am going to look for an image from the canon games. Devang.home47 04:12, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
Trust me, unless you use some palette swaps from the Alpha Series, Second Impact or something you won't find any canon images for True Akuma. I looked for a while. And I stated the Misogi and Tenma was different between the two, the "high and low counter" I mentioned. And I recall the Shungokusatsu be about the same speed but different number of hits. And as for the other stuff, that's why I put this one up. He looks notably different with white hair and red eyes, the kanji for his name is back to True and he has the "ten" on his back again. What I'm trying to say is that True and God are basically the same with some alterations. Faster move speed, though I admit God is faster than True was. Faster Raging Demon. Double Zankuus. Yeah God has the Misogi and the Tenma but he also lost the Hyakkishu. And, Capcom has always been somewhat whimsical when altering characters and adding/ taking away moves to the movelist. And to be honest, I think the only reason the made God was for an excuse to do a redesign for Shin Akuma. Look at all the different versions of Evil Ryu, now he's running around as a Super Saiyan with a hole in his chest. God and True are similar, very similar. Unlike Oni who actually resembles Gouken's style more than Akuma's and Cyber Akuma who shoot his hands at people.
Devang.home47: Even though it says your account has been globally disabled, if you have another account, I'd like for to join this discussion. In your edit on 11:51, 22 January 2012, you added 人/hito/"person" to the same form of Akuma's name.
My question to you both is where did you get those kanji from? Was it from like the Japanese manual for Capcom vs. SNK 2? Or from some databook from Capcom? Since those edits, I have changed the name from "God Akuma" to "Shinjin Akuma", since "God Akuma" was never an official way of calling that form. And 神人/shinjin gets translated as a phrase, meaning "godlike person." I'd just like to make sure that this is the official name for this form of Akuma. General Awesomo (talk) 07:34, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
You're right, General Awesomo. Compared to the former, Shinjin is actually the correct name for that particular form Akuma undergoes. Dekoshutalkcontrib 19:52, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, but I still would like to know where you got those kanji from. General Awesomo (talk) 21:26, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
You could find that by using Google search with 神・豪鬼. Dekoshutalkcontrib 22:20, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
When I did just that (and also with 神人・豪鬼/Shinjin Gōki), most of what I got was Wikipedia styled pages. All user created content, no official results. General Awesomo (talk) 22:37, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
So the kanji '神人' literally came out of nowhere? There's no proof of his name having the kanji in his name to be found. General Awesomo (talk) 01:26, July 24, 2013 (UTC)
It didn't come out of nowhere. When I myself search for that in Google, I got some or many results from it. Dekoshutalkcontrib 14:14, July 24, 2013 (UTC)
Yes: "all user created content, no official results", quoting General Awesomo. Wikis and videos, but nothing straight from Capcom themselves, artbooks, plot guides... not even Udon or the like. - <font=Impact color=red>Holothurion 06:33, July 25, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah. Same thing with the 人/hito. I mean, I liked changing "God Akuma" to "Shinjin Akuma" based on the kanji provided. "God Akuma" wasn't official, and "Shinjin Akuma" sounded authentic and still differentiated it from the normal canon Shin Akuma.
But now with all this uncertainty, I'm considering changing it to simply "Shin Akuma." Heck, we don't even know for certain that the kanji for shin is indeed different. The only hope left is to somehow find a PDF file of Udon's Street Fighter: Eternal Challenge or a PDF file of an English/Japanese Capcom vs. SNK 2 instruction manual.
If anyone has access to these and happened upon this discussion, do not be shy and feel free to contribute. General Awesomo (talk) 07:55, July 25, 2013 (UTC)
Just checked it, and the manual for the PS2 American version of CVS2 makes no reference at all to Akuma, Shin Akuma or Shinjin Akuma (nor to any other character, by the way). Dunno about the Japanese release or the Xbox and GC versions. - <font=Impact color=red>Holothurion 18:22, July 26, 2013 (UTC)
In the first of the three large white kanji in the pink oval in Shin Gouki's section, it says 神人豪鬼. The kanji 神 (kami/shin, "god") and 人 (hito/jin, "person") are written together in a vertical manner. This sometimes occurs in East Asian writing.
The furigana above 神人 says しん. Which reads as shin.
That's right. Supposedly 神人/shinjin is pronounced as しん/shin. Why Capcom decided to do all this is beyond me.
神人しん豪鬼 = "Godlike Person Great Demon."
So if it's meant to be pronounced Shin Gouki/Akuma, I guess we have our answer. I'll change this form's name back to "Shin Akuma". However, Shinjin Akuma is also technically correct, so feel free to personally use that instead to help differentiate between the canon Shin Akuma from the main series and the Shin Akuma from CvS2. General Awesomo (talk) 02:18, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
SSF2 Turbo?[]
Are you sure that it's Shin Akuma that appears there and not the regular Akuma? If so, what's the difference? DiamondStarHalo (talk) 11:41, March 21, 2016 (UTC)
Difference between Shin Akuma and CPU Akuma[]
People in this wiki need to understand the difference between "Shin Akuma" and "CPU Akuma":
Shin Akuma is an actual, in-universe transformation. He's like Evil Ryu in that, while being slightly different from the regular Akuma in terms of gameplay and only having a couple of new moves, he is considered a different character in-game, and is separate from the normal Akuma. His CVS2 incarnation is probably the best example of what I'm trying to explain here.
CPU Akuma is just the regular Akuma, but in this case, he becomes slightly different when controlled by the CPU as a boss character. That alone probably doesn't tell you anything, but look at Akuma in SSFIIT. Among other differences, CPU Akuma can throw two Zanku Hadokens in a row, whereas the regular Akuma can only throw one at a time. He also has more priority/deals more damage/receives less damage. This just gives Akuma more advantages when used by the CPU, and that doesn't necessarily turn him into a different character. This is just the playable version being toned down in comparison to the boss version. Akuma with a CPU "flag" =/= Shin Akuma.
This also goes for other CPU characters in other games. The original SFEX game is another game that has "CPU" characters. CPU Garuda, for instance, has a move only the CPU can use and is unavailable to the player. That doesn't mean there is a "Shin" Garuda. I haven't played SFIV but I assume the same applies for the "boss" versions of Gouken, Evil Ryu, and Oni.
In conclusion, when the boss version is stronger than the playable version, without actually being considered a different character, it's a CPU character, unless stated otherwise in the game.
Shin Akuma as a character only appears in Alpha 2, Alpha 3 (console), 2nd Impact, CVS2, SVC Chaos and Capcom Fighting Evolution, and is in 3rd Strike as an unused character. Other appearances mentioned in the article should be removed as Shin Akuma isn't actually in those games. Plus Cyber Akuma and Oni are different forms and I don't know why are they even listed in this article. --EterTC(Talk to Me) 20:30, September 27, 2016 (UTC)
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<font=Impact color=red>Holothurion 06:33, July 25, 2013 (UTC)